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Published on October 18th 2005
The trajectory of Propagandhi over the past twelve years has been a sight to see. In each of their releases, the band has reinvented their sound effortlessly. From the Southern-California-meets-Winnipeg melodic skate-punk of How to Clean Everything to the speed-metal-infused power of Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Propagandhi has never failed to provide remarkable leaps forward in an endless succession of nearly flawless releases.
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Best band ever! Goddamn yes. I love this album. Great review, undeniebly great album. This is REAL punk rock. I was somewhat disappointed by Today's Empires and so i didnt pick this up until a couple of weeks ago. ever since i can't stop listening. this album is fucking incredible. "I HOPE THEY SHIP THOSE SHITTY BANDS OVERSEAS, LIKE THEY DID THE FACTORIES". fuck you Vans Warped Tour! There isnt any line-up changes between this album and the one prior, they use different names but are the same people, the new album hopefully out this year (2007) will consist of 1 extra member, the beaver, who will play guitar along side Chris Hannah, i saw them in Derby, England and was probably one of the best gigs ever, but i love them and will stick with that opinion, if you haven't heard much of these, Potemkin City Limits is my favorite album. Can't say I agree with most of their views, but they fucking rock and to look at the line up changes, its amazing how this album got made, this rocks the shit they cancelled on sept. 11th and i drove an hour to see them. "I don't believe in self-important folks who preach..." obviously no one is perfect. that being said, i can guarentee you that chris, todd, and jord do not consider themselves perfect. it seems everybody is so caught up on one song, that being "rock for sustainable capitalism", which i think, brings up some important points about the current state of punk rock, and music in general. to say that propagandhi is picking at the little things in life is to greatly overlook what is they are really trying to say. one last thing, anybody calling them elitist and arrogant who havnt met them should really shut the fuck up, because if you have met them, you would know they are the complete opposite, at least in my experiences. just cuz they have something to say, and are more critical than most bands, does not make them elitist and arrogant. damn, people assume a lot of shit. it has nothing to do with how anyone pronounces anything. It's more about how closed minded they are and how little understanding they seem to have about people and society in general. ".. I find myself too pissed off at thier arrogance to truly appreciate the message." "I can understand a lot of Propaganhi's points, but to be quite honest, they are somewhat elitists. No one is perfect. But they continue to bash every little tidbit about "who's punk" and "who righteous" and so on. always and forever the best band ever. and nerds. First of all do not put this album into a genre. It is not metal; metal is boring and played by old boring men or young posers. It is not punk; punk is dead and has been for at least 20 years. This album is simply magnificent. All the songs have amazing music and motivating lyrics, albeit some do take a few listens to get into. Those of you who have claimed this record lacks the emotion of T.E.T.A. need to have your ears syringed and your allowed dosage of what you are able to listen to and label punk rock and rebellious with the knowledge that you will still be 'cool', upped. By the way, the TM sign after "With a Rebel yell" in 'Rock for Sustainable Capitalism' is due to the fact that rebellion has sold out and the REBEL itself has been trademarked, not the phrase and it is not a trademark reference to Billy Idol. How fucking stupid can you get; no wonder anarchy stacks the shelves when people like you claim such a subtle wit is only an attack on a superstar. I bet you shit yourselves when you found out there was a line against Fat Mike in this record. i was sort of bummed out about this record. i loved the direction todays empires was headed, but this has slowed down. still, there are some fucking awesome songs here. name and adress withheld, superbowl patriot blabla, the firstsong, die jugen marschiert.. just didnt like the slower stuff. still, crucial band when it comes to smart political songwriting and being canadian i guess! This is the best punk rock album EVER recorded. Potemkin is the smartest album by any band I've ever heard, and one of the most rocking albums EVER (a mind numbing paradox). This band was one of those that changed my life back when I listened to the "Id Rather Be Flag Burning" EP on Recess Records, and continue to impress me as well as keep me pissed for all of the real reasons us punk rockers should be pissed. fuckin amazing cd im going to say i do prefer how to clean everything it was jsut awesome how sarcastic that album was but songs like Halle Selasse Up Your Ass and Stick the Fucking Flag Up Your Goddamn Ass You Son Of A Bitch really get you pissed off. But this cd's songs like Rock For Sustainable Capitalism which is fuckin awesome cause it shows how hypocritical alot of bands are especially being soo dead set against corporations yet making shitloads of money off Warped Tour, and Superbowl Patriot XXXVI which is so fuckin funny cause of the bullshit superbowl stuff. A bunch of patriot drunken asswipes watching a game sponsored by the corporate gods. Also Bringer Of Greater Things which opens alot of eyes because alot of people in Canada dont see their police force is as racist and brutal as the any other police force. The fact that they can do that to the natives is jsut wrong and unjust. But hey we have been doing it ever since this country has been formed. Strong CD with a Strong Message like usual. Fuck, I hate Lars Fredrickssena;lsjdf;lasdf. Oh-so-important and oh-so-boring. whats with winnipeg putting out shitty bands. comeback kid, propagandi, the weakerthans, that city can eat shit. Good comprehensive reveiw. May just bookmark you guys. Potmekin City Limits has quickly become one of my favorite thrash albums eeeeeever. Seriously. Right up there with Nothingface, Among the Living and Reign in Blood. you're all fucking nuts. Top 3 albums of 2005: Emo punks , big bussiness/corporation punks, conservative punk this album is fuckin dope. yeah im an american bro so feel free to bombard me with your well structured sentences of critisism. FUCK Non Americans bashing us when they see an opening.FUCK Americans who give them the right to do so. we live here, we deal with the ignorance. you guys have nothing to bitch about. all the angels in all of your countries dont have to walk out the door to such bullshit everyday like we do. so if anything, we understand the lyrics more. Prop owns I haven't been into Propagandhi for a long time, but after hearing the song "Nation States," I decided to check 'em out. And I must say, I'm considering buying everything from their back catalog. I bought this album a few days ago, and although it did take a couple days of heavy rotation in the CD player for it to grow on me, I'm liking this album more and more every time I pop it in. In fact, I think I'm gonna go press the "PLAY" button on my CD player right now. "And while you may stand six full cubits and a span we got a shepherd's sling and five stones in our hand and the battle of 1812 lives in our hearts." Most important album of the past 5 years. They are the only band around that has the balls to say what they do. "Rock for Sustanible Capitalism" is the most important song since the uprising emo- bullshit bands that make money off of punk, when it stands for just the opposite. The album gets better and better with each listen, and it is by no means musically weak. I can't wait to finnaly see this band live(that is if they come to Norfolk/VA Beach/ Richmond). Awesome album. It took me a little while to get into, with the slower songs mostly, but it was well worth it. My only issue with the album is that I think they should have put "Superbowl Patriot XXXVII" after "Iteration," since there's really no better way to end an album than "We're doomed! Fuckin' Doomed!" "Don't EVER leave the one you love for the one you like, because the one you like will leave you for the one they love. Tonight, your true love will realize how much they love you between 1 and 4 in the morning. Tomorrow, the shock of your life will occur. If you break the chain, you will have bad luck.. this album is the best album since their last one!!! The first time I listened to this album, I felt a little disappointed. Musically, it just wasn't as thrashing and awesome as Today's Empires... "Everyone of you americans can't see how right the lyrics are" This album is sick. Album of the year This album is musicaly weak, lyricly strong. I get it already. I read books, surf the net, dig deep for the facts. I know the struggle and the corruption. You taught me that with your first two albums. Thank you for that. However, make me want to listen to your music again. Not just read the lyrics. Used to be the best band going, now just a musicaly poor lecture band. I still have hope, but its fading fast. "Don't EVER leave the one you love for the one you like, because the one you like will leave you for the one they love. Tonight, your true love will realize how much they love you between 1 and 4 in the morning. Tomorrow, the shock of your life will occur. If you break the chain, you will have bad luck.. I thought it was a reference to Rancid's video for "Fall Back Down." so i finally got to listen to this fuckin thing....not sure if it is as good as today's empire's....but the lyrical aspects definitely meet all expectations......anyone catch the reference to Ender's game?.....thats a pretty sick book............i have one beef with the superbowl song......say what you want about advertising and all that bullshit......but who doesn't like beer?......what did beer do to anyone?......i'm gonna go get a beer I'm pretty sure Rock for Sustainable Capitalism refers to the video for "Gansters and Thugs" by the Transplants. That's the first thing that came to mind when I read the lyrics. Anyone seen it and agree? indeed, cheers. "There is so much more going on idea-wise on this record than the ONE LINE about Fat Mike. " There is so much more going on idea-wise on this record than the ONE LINE about Fat Mike. this album makes me want to kick americans Don't EVER leave the one you love for the one you like, because the one you like will leave you for the one they love. Tonight, your true love will realize how much they love you between 1 and 4 in the morning. Tomorrow, the shock of your life will occur. If you break the chain, you will have bad luck.. i concure dog...4 1/2 floppy cocks out of 5 word. i knew there was gonna be a million comments on this thing, with people arguing about all things propagandhi. off_the_fucken_map.... you're welcome. no need to get hostile. yes you did, your right. im sorry. i do appreciate it. wikipedia just confirmed it. "So...my sarcastic tongue in cheek joke that went over your head means I should kill myself? (or maybe it went under your head because it was not particuarly clever) Wait a minute, aren't you just doing the same exact fucking thing by saying this AND releasing your album on Fat? Idiot. Wikipedia didn't answer your questionm, asshole. ""Americans are pricks and wont take your opinion seriously until you learn how to speak english better then a 6th grader. Nice try though" "Americans are pricks and wont take your opinion seriously until you learn how to speak english better then a 6th grader. Nice try though" This album is fucking great, but I think Less Talk More Rock is still my favorite by them, this one is just angrier and more political "it just seems like they didn't put much effort into making the music catchier" This record will be remembered as one of the best punk records of all time... "Sarcasm just can't be read on the internet..." Don't EVER leave the one you love for the one you like, because the one you like will leave you for the one they love. Tonight, your true love will realize how much they love you between 1 and 4 in the morning. Tomorrow, the shock of your life will occur. If you break the chain, you will have bad luck.. does anyone here think that the first part of "life at disconnect" is written from the perspective of nature and then the second half is the perspective of humans? sound plausible? i realize those phrases arent actually trademarked and that it is a joke and that they were alluding to something. i just wasnt sure what "rebel yell" referred to. but now i know. wikipedia answered my quesion. Dear Dad, Yeah, I think I'm gonna need to be getting this. And I believe the trademark sign is there after "with a rebel yell" because of Billy Idol. Hello everybody. I'm european and i want to say that not all america is full of ignorant people but you are plenty of them. And to the guy who suggested that kicking him out of the band might make them better: You are wrong. Plain and simple. No "it's just an opinion" bullshit. Guess what? Everyone is not entitled to thier opinion, everyone is entitled to MY opinion. I'm willing to bet that the TM symbol after rebel yell, and America's Army, are both there for the same reason. It's a fucking joke! I don't think it's actually trade marked, but I think they are pointing out the absurdity of trade marking a phrase. And no, I didn't make a typo. I have changed the spelling of the word. It's called "being creative" you fuck. "Metallica < Motorhead .... and it's not even close. Whatever. The Olsens are a bunch of no-talent silly nillys who just churn out manufactured blather. They aren't going to tour with Propagandhi. They'll be playing with The Chemistry, IF they're lucky. To the guy commenting on Jord's lack of ability: to be honest, i have not heard this album yet....i came on here to see some reviews because a friend of mine who i completely trust in music taste said that it was a good album, but he was a little dissappointed. Anyway, some of the things that i'm seeing from all of you really piss me off. All this stuff is ridiculous...the whold fat mike thing....they are business partners...and say what you want about fat mike....he is good for music and probably respects whatever propagandhi decides to say...in the end, they're both making money...both have their opinions and I personally take both with a grain of salt because their are things i agree with and disagree with in both of their politics....europeans need to stop saying that all americans are ignorant...cause there are a shit load of ignorant people all over the world (europe included). global diplomacy is a complicated thing so generally no opinion is completely right, its a subjective thing. so can we try to focus on the quality of the album and not about this other crap...i dont believe in everything propagandhi does....and that just means that I have my own opinion...so shut up and focus on the music Am I the only one who first glanced at the album title when it was announced and imagined it said "Pokemon City Limits?" Metallica < Motorhead .... and it's not even close. Whatever. The Olsens are a bunch of no-talent silly nillys who just churn out manufactured blather. They aren't going to tour with Propagandhi. They'll be playing with The Chemistry, IF they're lucky. why after the line "with a rebel" in rock for sustainable capitalism is there a trademark symble? call me dumb but i just dont get it yet. So which Rancid video is he talking about when he says I fuckin' love that one rock video where that fucking jack-ass mohawked millionaire prances around by far the worst sausage party on earth, where by mere chance he's caught on film shaking hands with an incredibly diverse collection of patriotic skins. I like the message it sends: With a Rebel yell, Just Do Exactly What You're Told.? "I'm so glad Chris left. Glen kicks his ass. Glen's a better vocalist and guitarist." To expand upon my comments about the music, I mean that to include Chris's new singing style...just didn't do it for me... Dont talk shit about hockey. I've got to say I have loved Propagandhi for years, since just after How to Clean Everything came out. I love most of their songs and all of what they stand for. That said, this album was the first time I was disappointed, but only with the music. The lyrics are amazing, and they still have the right idea but I found the music to be kind of boring and monotonous. I wasn't hoping for the same style repeated again, but I was hoping for something I could really get into musically. I can understand writing the lyrics (which they clearly hold in higher regard than the music) and then the music to accompany it but it just seems like they didn't put much effort into making the music catchier and more interesting. Oh well, maybe in 2010. Still looking forward to seeing them live though... the music on potemkin is so fucking incredible. its some of the most well written music i've ever heard. its so unique, ive never heard anything like it. they took the TETA sound to the next level. this band knows how to fucking trash. chris has never had his name in any album just say chris. in less talk it was pete, and how to clean it was, well that was the closest he ever got, it was jesus h. chris. he's just fucking around. you guys take stuff to seriously. deep down you all know he's a fucking badass. You guys take yourselves too seriously. Face it: Hockey sucks, Hillary Duff rocks (though not as much as Propaghandi), and whining about stuff won't get you anywhere. Go ahead and bitch from your keyboards... This CD is absolutely amazing and exactly what the punk scene needed so bad for a long time! Excellent graphics......I will now become a vegan. Thank you-Melissa (Tampa,FL) "I'm so glad Chris left. Glen kicks his ass. Glen's a better vocalist and guitarist." she's lump she's lump ////Hilary Duff, on the other hand, in a recent interview in which the interviewer asked her what it was like to be a role model for youth, threw out the question and said that a real role model is someone who has significantly had a direct impact on creating positive change in people's lives through political means, citing Nelson Mandela, whose autobiography she read before presenting him with a humanitarian award at the UN building in New York.//// "Propagandhi - Potemkin City Limits "The fact that you digress to demeaning prurient slander shows an inherently cruel and insecure patriarchal nature that Propagandhi would shake their heads at." don't deny it man. this is the savior of rock&roll-and don't you forget that! I'm so glad Chris left. Glen kicks his ass. Glen's a better vocalist and guitarist. It's quite obvious. They just keep getting better. As much as I like the Weakerthans, Todd was a better fit for Propagandhi. They should kick out Jord next so they will get better again. If that is at all possible. I didn't post the same message twice. Someone apparently wanted to reiterate my point. Kofi Annan isn't punk. He intervened with Dallaire's infamous "genocide fax," cowardly citing Chapter 7 intervention protocol, blocking the Lt. General's move to intercept the arms caches, and, in turn, helped allow the Rwandan genocide to ignite. It's so funny. When Empire's came out, everybody complained it was their weakest record. Then a year later, they all decided it was their best record. I predict a similar event on the horizon. I only heard the single, which was really impressive. I'm not sure if this is the best propagandhi record to start with....if not what is? "Or is it that you are a 22 year old virgin who wants to lose his cherry to her instead of 5 knuckle shuffling over her poster in bed hoping that mummy (who'd you'd like to pipe as well) won't catch you?" I'd like to see Hillary Duff help Propagandhi bake their bread. Here's my top 10 most punk people in the world..... I gotta agree with those that say its not their best. I've listened to it about 5 times through and all the songs have the same composition. All the lyrics are all over the place and seem to be like part of a speech as oppose to actual song lyrics. It still rocks, but its like How To Clean Everything and Less Talk were made by a different band. Wait...someone is actually arguing pro-duff? I thought everyone saying that HD was one of the best CDs of the year was one of those cheeky jokes. One of those so funny you dont need to explain it deals. Someone ACTUALLY means it? How are they old enough to understand how to use the internet? i love Chris Hannah. A stinkweed by any other name... I really, really wanted to like this album but I'm not all that impressed. I think it is their weakest album. "Youre the sad cunt, you fucking turdmonger. You can't even dinstinguish things for yourself. >>>>>Youre the sad cunt, you fucking turdmonger. You can't even dinstinguish things for yourself. "I think that if you are being honest this record and the record prior do not stand up to "More Rock" - yeah, they got tougher and lost Samson (who has flourished into something better than Propagandhi currently is) - but the songs and riffs are not as creative as they once were. The fact that they got tougher doesn't bug me, I like tough music, but the songs are lacking creativity. This reviewer would agree with me off the record I am sure." this album has taken a little time with me, but oh my god it is now fucking unbelievable. amazing album by the best band in the world. This album absolutely wails. I was out, half in the bag the other night right after a hockey game and my buddy throws on the last track of the new album to show me (I had to special order and hadn't gotten it yet). Man, there is some thrash in here that hasn't gotten me so pumped up since I got my copy of Among the Living by Anthrax back in grade seven. If these guys ever decide to actually come back to town (they don't seem to like to tour - but it's worth the wait, trust me), I'll likely pop a nut. Propagandhi is now my favourite punk band AND in my top 3 for metal. This is a full-blown Punk-Metal Meltdown and we're all gonna die. Support creative talent - BUY this album and if you have the patience, order from G7 directly. I think that if you are being honest this record and the record prior do not stand up to "More Rock" - yeah, they got tougher and lost Samson (who has flourished into something better than Propagandhi currently is) - but the songs and riffs are not as creative as they once were. The fact that they got tougher doesn't bug me, I like tough music, but the songs are lacking creativity. This reviewer would agree with me off the record I am sure. This is the best punk reck record of the decade. Everyone of you americans can't see how right the lyrics are. "Everyone of you americans can't see how right the lyrics are" This is the best punk reck record of the decade. Everyone of you americans can't see how right the lyrics are. Youre the sad cunt, you fucking turdmonger. You can't even dinstinguish things for yourself. hilary duff? you sad cunt. As for the Hilary Duff / Propagandhi tour suggestion, due to Propagandhi's lack of touring, I think that I can safely say that I am probably one of maybe 5 people who come to this site who have had the distinct and unique privilege to see both Hilary and Propagandhi live. score is for the record. very, very good record. ahhhhhh.....let me bring reintroduce hillary duff back in the picture...she should go on tour with propagandhi..that would be the best tour ever Chris didn't change his fucking name to Glen! arghhhh, I think Chris's name on Less Talk, More Walk was Jesus H. Christ. What's wrong with you fucking people, he made an inside joke about Portage La Prairie (his and Jord's hometown) He didn't change his name to Glen. Fuck! PS. I mispelled 'propagandhi' and also forgot to mention how no one seems to have acknowledged the fact that the last time that news was posted on this band half of you were shit talking how glen is a wannabe chris or sounds way worse or whatever.... you all suck. Well most of you anyways. I just think its kind of funny how no one seems to be bringing it up, yet it was all the rage in the last discussion. Well I started reading the comments but gave up about 1/3 of the way up... Gandhi > Propagandhi......sorry its the truth As much as I like Propagandhi, this cd isn't doing it for me. First time I heard it I thought it was the greatest cd ever, but now I just think it's kind of long-winded. "I find it funny that they talk shit about Rancid yet they changed their style completly to hardcore when that Fat Wreck sound was losing popularity. This band is a joke and should tour with Leftover Crack. They could call it "BIGGEST WHINERS EVER TOUR The lyrics and liner notes are the good part of this album. "The Weakerthans have moved a tad bit beyond "power-pop" if you ask me." "Looking forward to hearing this, but one question. That (really helpful) Jam review and this review made me think of the outspoken political music of Jeff Ott. Is this new Propaghandi release presented as humorlessly and unrelentingly as Jeff Ott's solo cd (snicker snicker) or later Fifteen records?" The Weakerthans have moved a tad bit beyond "power-pop" if you ask me. " I bought this cd at Best Buy using coupons from Mcdonalds that I bought while working for Shell" "I find it funny that they talk shit about Rancid yet they changed their style completly to hardcore when that Fat Wreck sound was losing popularity. This band is a joke and should tour with Leftover Crack. They could call it "BIGGEST WHINERS EVER TOUR"." |
